Dr. Jay talks with clients Heather and Scott, DINKs embracing an approach to life where one person grows while the other supports.
Episode 33: The Gardener & the Rose
July 19, 2023
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44 Minutes
Episode Summary
Dr. Jay talks with Heather and Scott.
As DINKs they embrace the gardener and the rose approach to life where one person is growing while the other is supporting. For them, this meant that after 10 years of being employed by the state, Heather started seeking a new challenge. This led to her leaving her career and pursuing her dream of being an author. Throughout you’ll hear the concerns she had, how their relationship has grown, and the advice they’d give to other couples looking at doing something similar.
Find Heather here:
- Instagram: @hkmacleanwrites
- Website: www.hkmaclean.com
- Twitter: @hkmaclean
Resources:
- Website: NaNoWriMo
- Article: The Gardener and the Rose
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